I think people misunderstood my Hal Jordan and Barry Allen reference. I was saying Rummy and Rikk were Hal and Barry and you have to kill them off or make them no longer heroes if you want the audience to accept “Generation II.”
5ColorControl, I respectfully disagree. It is true that G2 won’t get to shine as much as they could if they remain in the shadow of G1, but if Mr. Campbell does what you say (that is, killing or disgracing G1), then he would only create a bunch of Rodimus Primes, and nobody wants that. I think it would have been somewhat better to have a Batman Beyond kind of deal, with the original members of the Science Fiction Club being too out of shape, too disillusioned or just too… adult to be sci-fi adventurers anymore, but still around to serve as mentors and supporting characters. That way G2 would be a necessity.
Anyway, I find it shocking to see that the living embodiment of the Web 1.0 isn’t savvy enough to suspect something is amiss when an impossibly hot girl he doesn’t know invites him to click on her
If I were Cloud I really wouldn’t fall into the OBVIOUS TRAP IS OBVIOUS but hey, maybe the super-intelligent AI is bored with having free will and wants to become MechTech’s tool, who knows?
@Moebius Strip-Tease: I’m not sure how you’re disagreeing with me, respectfully or otherwise. You basically said what I said only you replaced “no longer heroes” with “being too out of shape, too disillusioned or just too… adult.”
There are many ways to make someone defamed or no longer a hero. Making them a god-like megalomaniac trying to remake the universe in their own image is but one. The point is we will never be able to truly love Marc until Rikk is out of the way.
I remember when Rikk was first talking about how Marc was better than him. How he was more athletic and had better reflexes. How Marc -who was raised on video games- did not hesitate when shooting baddies. That should have been the moment in which the old stepped down for the newer model, but all I could think was: “No Rikk, those are flaws! Marc’s going to mess it all up and you’re going to have to step in because you’re the MAN! I love you!”
Marc really was meant to replace Rikk, but that can never happen in the reader’s heart and the author’s mind as long as Rikk is still around doing things. If progression is to be made, and we move from the one age to the next, Generation I has to GTFO. One way or the other.
@Kadzooque => where are you getting the Cloud is Mist idea from? I think Cloud is supposed to look like Jobs. The glasses are similar to Mist but the rest of the face is definitely Jobs.
However, if you’ve noticed something else it would be great if you could explain. I would love Campbell to bring back Mist
@Lich Mong: uhmmm…. the G1 fans where common dudes that arose to face the extraordinary circumstances that appeared, and evolved despite their weak spots. The G2 fans are an elite of handpicked extraordinary people that solve end-of-the-world crisis before breakfast. They get beatten now and then, but the resourcess at their grasp prevent any mayor fear of loss. They have started too high leveled up.
Hard to care about them, really…
like a planet full of kriptonians next door…
Then maybe, its just me…
5Colors/Lich: The issue here is that the way T. Campbell gets Rikk, Rumy and the others out of the equation matters. A lot. Their last actions as the main characters of this comic may make them forever awesome or it may tarnish them for years to come (with the unpleasant bonus of turning G2 characters into Replacement Scrappies)
As Coren pointed out, Wally West is no Rodimus Prime. Barry Allen died on the original Crisis being a hero that tried to save the world, and Wally already was in line to be the next Flash, so I don’t think anyone cried foul when Wally took the name of his fallen mentor. Compare all this with Hal Jordan’s infamous breakdown (later retconned as a case of “Space Devil made me do it”) and his replacement with Kyle Rayner, a kewl 90’s “updated version” (“now with 80% less Silver Age!”)
On a more general note, I know these are not _my_ characters and I know T. Campbell is the only one who gets to decide which characters go and why. I’m only saying that there are ways of doing that without leaving a bad aftertaste (q.v. Flash, above)
@Moebius Strip-Tease. Sorry about the name change, but re-yourpost: Yes -of course- how it’s done matters. One might even go so far as to say how it’s done is ALL that matters.
@Drakkin the Alien: -Personally- I think you’re being to harsh on G2. They were what they were because they had to be. If Chapter 1 G1 had to deal with what G2 had to deal with on their first go-around they would have been instafragged.
We had to have G2 start out at godteir or it would have just been a restart.
Also, its not like they are perfect in every way or something. G2 has its own set of flaws and quirks. They’ve grown and needed mentoring from G1, but if they are EVER to shine they have to do it on their own.
Mechtech’s last panel makes me think if Cloud complies, he’ll have majorly farked up and become her slave. She’s been shown to make use of whatever tools are at hand by whatever means necessary to achieve her goals. And why form an alliance with Cyber Jesus when you can simply make him your slave?
For my part, the characters I enjoy and care about are Shanna, Ally, Tim, Jared, Marc, Fitz, and Baxter. I don’t like Hilda or Di or Jesse or Laura (no one liked Laura), but I also don’t like Will or Rikk or Guthrie or Katherine (no one liked Katherine). I used to like Zaha and Rumy, but they both changed too much and bear no similarity to the characters they used to be. (I don’t mind the changes to Ally, I wish she appeared more often.)
Also, this is G3. G2 was Timmespin, Stu, Harry, Union Jackie, and Meighan.
LockeZ
Quite correct, this is G3. G2 should us the aforementioned “regular Joes” trying to hack it at G1’s level.
And -as a side note- I liked Katherine the most because -as a college gaming club president myself at the time- I empathized most with her. I wanted to be more like Rikk, but IRL I don’t think he could have gotten the job done.
I could only feel sorry for Laura. She was basically written to fail. Introduced as a “social balm” it was clear right away everyone on the team found her irritating because of her ineptitude. Seems crappy to take anyway her only ability right away.
I always wondered about Laura. Her only real reason for existing plotwise seemed to be facilitating the bait-and-switch with Fitz and the dragon. Seems unusual that a quasi-main character would be introduced and then sent packing without more of a purpose in the story.
Sorry about switching my name.I have it sent on my home computer as “5ColorControl” and I need to change it. Forgot to, again, sorry
Re-Laura:
My guess is that Campbell didn’t really like the idea of needing a “social balm.” As in, he wrote her in, than when he had the other characters interact with her his own irritation was shown. Then in doing that he realized he just made an already weak support character absolutely useless. This crazy theory of mine is all dependent on how fair in advance he writes the nitty-gritty of the story, however, since its dependent on him writing an outline of events in advance, but not writing the dialog and reactions of the individual characters until it’s closer to deadline time.
Regardless if my crazy theory is right:
I do think it’s clear that Campbell don’t like the idea that groups need “social glue.” Which was why Katherine -the more realistic politician/manipulator leader that could actually keep a group together- was shown as misguided with Rikk -the lead by example honest idealist- was shown as the superior replacement.
When I first started reading Faans I agreed with Campbell on this matter, but as I’ve grown older I think that for a really great leader you need both, and probably more of Katherine especially for larger groups.
Well. Didn’t take long to convince her. Who knew Cloud was so smooth with the ladies?
Also, stop making MechTech sexy, damn it! This is disturbing. 😀
Oooh, dirrrrrty. 😛
… So Steve Jobs did ascend to god tier?
Also I guess she’s a looker when she’s not prepped up with all that jewelery-machine thingies.
Love the Tron getup.
I think people misunderstood my Hal Jordan and Barry Allen reference. I was saying Rummy and Rikk were Hal and Barry and you have to kill them off or make them no longer heroes if you want the audience to accept “Generation II.”
This is all your fault, Scott McCloud.
She’s way too territorial to co-exist with the poor, naive Cloud.
Incoming hostile take over in 3, 2…
5ColorControl, I respectfully disagree. It is true that G2 won’t get to shine as much as they could if they remain in the shadow of G1, but if Mr. Campbell does what you say (that is, killing or disgracing G1), then he would only create a bunch of Rodimus Primes, and nobody wants that. I think it would have been somewhat better to have a Batman Beyond kind of deal, with the original members of the Science Fiction Club being too out of shape, too disillusioned or just too… adult to be sci-fi adventurers anymore, but still around to serve as mentors and supporting characters. That way G2 would be a necessity.
Anyway, I find it shocking to see that the living embodiment of the Web 1.0 isn’t savvy enough to suspect something is amiss when an impossibly hot girl he doesn’t know invites him to click on her
And this is where babies come from…. for machines.
If I were Cloud I really wouldn’t fall into the OBVIOUS TRAP IS OBVIOUS but hey, maybe the super-intelligent AI is bored with having free will and wants to become MechTech’s tool, who knows?
Sorry, but Wally West is no Rodimus Prime.
Cloud is Mist? I always did find his death unsatisfying.
@Moebius Strip-Tease: I’m not sure how you’re disagreeing with me, respectfully or otherwise. You basically said what I said only you replaced “no longer heroes” with “being too out of shape, too disillusioned or just too… adult.”
There are many ways to make someone defamed or no longer a hero. Making them a god-like megalomaniac trying to remake the universe in their own image is but one. The point is we will never be able to truly love Marc until Rikk is out of the way.
I remember when Rikk was first talking about how Marc was better than him. How he was more athletic and had better reflexes. How Marc -who was raised on video games- did not hesitate when shooting baddies. That should have been the moment in which the old stepped down for the newer model, but all I could think was: “No Rikk, those are flaws! Marc’s going to mess it all up and you’re going to have to step in because you’re the MAN! I love you!”
Marc really was meant to replace Rikk, but that can never happen in the reader’s heart and the author’s mind as long as Rikk is still around doing things. If progression is to be made, and we move from the one age to the next, Generation I has to GTFO. One way or the other.
@Kadzooque => where are you getting the Cloud is Mist idea from? I think Cloud is supposed to look like Jobs. The glasses are similar to Mist but the rest of the face is definitely Jobs.
However, if you’ve noticed something else it would be great if you could explain. I would love Campbell to bring back Mist
Mist = Jobs?
Hah I totally called this.
@Lich Mong: uhmmm…. the G1 fans where common dudes that arose to face the extraordinary circumstances that appeared, and evolved despite their weak spots. The G2 fans are an elite of handpicked extraordinary people that solve end-of-the-world crisis before breakfast. They get beatten now and then, but the resourcess at their grasp prevent any mayor fear of loss. They have started too high leveled up.
Hard to care about them, really…
like a planet full of kriptonians next door…
Then maybe, its just me…
5Colors/Lich: The issue here is that the way T. Campbell gets Rikk, Rumy and the others out of the equation matters. A lot. Their last actions as the main characters of this comic may make them forever awesome or it may tarnish them for years to come (with the unpleasant bonus of turning G2 characters into Replacement Scrappies)
As Coren pointed out, Wally West is no Rodimus Prime. Barry Allen died on the original Crisis being a hero that tried to save the world, and Wally already was in line to be the next Flash, so I don’t think anyone cried foul when Wally took the name of his fallen mentor. Compare all this with Hal Jordan’s infamous breakdown (later retconned as a case of “Space Devil made me do it”) and his replacement with Kyle Rayner, a kewl 90’s “updated version” (“now with 80% less Silver Age!”)
On a more general note, I know these are not _my_ characters and I know T. Campbell is the only one who gets to decide which characters go and why. I’m only saying that there are ways of doing that without leaving a bad aftertaste (q.v. Flash, above)
@Moebius Strip-Tease. Sorry about the name change, but re-yourpost: Yes -of course- how it’s done matters. One might even go so far as to say how it’s done is ALL that matters.
@Drakkin the Alien: -Personally- I think you’re being to harsh on G2. They were what they were because they had to be. If Chapter 1 G1 had to deal with what G2 had to deal with on their first go-around they would have been instafragged.
We had to have G2 start out at godteir or it would have just been a restart.
Also, its not like they are perfect in every way or something. G2 has its own set of flaws and quirks. They’ve grown and needed mentoring from G1, but if they are EVER to shine they have to do it on their own.
Mechtech’s last panel makes me think if Cloud complies, he’ll have majorly farked up and become her slave. She’s been shown to make use of whatever tools are at hand by whatever means necessary to achieve her goals. And why form an alliance with Cyber Jesus when you can simply make him your slave?
For my part, the characters I enjoy and care about are Shanna, Ally, Tim, Jared, Marc, Fitz, and Baxter. I don’t like Hilda or Di or Jesse or Laura (no one liked Laura), but I also don’t like Will or Rikk or Guthrie or Katherine (no one liked Katherine). I used to like Zaha and Rumy, but they both changed too much and bear no similarity to the characters they used to be. (I don’t mind the changes to Ally, I wish she appeared more often.)
Also, this is G3. G2 was Timmespin, Stu, Harry, Union Jackie, and Meighan.
LockeZ
Quite correct, this is G3. G2 should us the aforementioned “regular Joes” trying to hack it at G1’s level.
And -as a side note- I liked Katherine the most because -as a college gaming club president myself at the time- I empathized most with her. I wanted to be more like Rikk, but IRL I don’t think he could have gotten the job done.
I could only feel sorry for Laura. She was basically written to fail. Introduced as a “social balm” it was clear right away everyone on the team found her irritating because of her ineptitude. Seems crappy to take anyway her only ability right away.
I always wondered about Laura. Her only real reason for existing plotwise seemed to be facilitating the bait-and-switch with Fitz and the dragon. Seems unusual that a quasi-main character would be introduced and then sent packing without more of a purpose in the story.
Sorry about switching my name.I have it sent on my home computer as “5ColorControl” and I need to change it. Forgot to, again, sorry
Re-Laura:
My guess is that Campbell didn’t really like the idea of needing a “social balm.” As in, he wrote her in, than when he had the other characters interact with her his own irritation was shown. Then in doing that he realized he just made an already weak support character absolutely useless. This crazy theory of mine is all dependent on how fair in advance he writes the nitty-gritty of the story, however, since its dependent on him writing an outline of events in advance, but not writing the dialog and reactions of the individual characters until it’s closer to deadline time.
Regardless if my crazy theory is right:
I do think it’s clear that Campbell don’t like the idea that groups need “social glue.” Which was why Katherine -the more realistic politician/manipulator leader that could actually keep a group together- was shown as misguided with Rikk -the lead by example honest idealist- was shown as the superior replacement.
When I first started reading Faans I agreed with Campbell on this matter, but as I’ve grown older I think that for a really great leader you need both, and probably more of Katherine especially for larger groups.